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Last post 08-18-2008, 1:54 PM by Mike Seth-Hunter. 13 replies.
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  •  07-20-2008, 7:09 AM 15929

    Pilot Training

    Hi Guys,

     I've started looking for Flight Training Schools and Airlines around the world that offer cheap but good Airline Pilot Training Programmes. I am currently doing my Student Pilot Licence but I don't think I'll have my PPL before I finish School. I was wondering if anyone knows of any good Pilot Training Academies anywhere in the world. It would be helpful if they were near Ireland (thats where I live), but I don't have a problem with going further afield if its worth it. I have relations in Phoenix, so if it was somewhere near there, or even anywhere in the US, it would keep my parents happy!! I would like to do it in a country that speaks English, because a lot of European Airlines send you to there home countries like Holland or Germany and it would be a bit of a problem if I could'nt speak the language!

    Thanks!


    Eoin Coates
    Senior Command Captain
    Real World Student Pilot
    Frankfurt am Mein-Hub Manager

    "If the thought came into my head, I would go out and buy a gun"- Herb Kelleher's reply after being asked if he would start another airline.
  •  07-20-2008, 7:46 AM 15931 in reply to 15929

    Re: Pilot Training

    Eoin,

    Good luck on your student pilot license.

    There are several schools in the Phoenix area.  Embry Riddle University has a campus in Prescott Arizona, although ER is not known for being inexpensive.  Pan Am Academy has a campus at the Deer Valley airport near Phoenix.  Arizona is a good place for training as you won't loose many days to bad weather.  I'm sure there are more schools in the Phoenix area, but those are the 2 that came immediately to my mind.

    Cheers,
     



    EHAM-YSSY B772LR
  •  07-20-2008, 12:43 PM 15942 in reply to 15931

    Re: Pilot Training

    I checked out the Embry-Riddle Academy in Florida and it was very expensive!!! I'll check out the Pan Am Academy though, its sounds good.

    Thanks!


    Eoin Coates
    Senior Command Captain
    Real World Student Pilot
    Frankfurt am Mein-Hub Manager

    "If the thought came into my head, I would go out and buy a gun"- Herb Kelleher's reply after being asked if he would start another airline.
  •  07-20-2008, 7:11 PM 15946 in reply to 15942

    Re: Pilot Training

    Riddle is very expensive.  I trained there in the 70s but my dad paid the bill. (I think he just wanted me to go somewhere.....anywhere.)

    I already had my private ticket when I got there and the time was spent flying about two hours a day. I spent about 4 hours each day in a classroom There was a jet engine lab and I learned the basics. Suck, squeeze, bang, blow. 

    I rode in the back of a 172 for many hours also as this is considered valuable observer time.  We would fly out over the ocean there at Daytona and do full power departure stalls left and right at about 4000 feet.  If you sit in the back of a 172 a full power departure stall looks as if you are going nearly vertical.  I loved it.  I was 19 years old.  The Riddle instructor in the right seat was about 40. I remember thinking..... why is this guy flying a 172?  The bonus here was that when it came time to fly your left seat training flights some poor guy was always riding as an observer.  I always enjoyed having that third guy. I guess the higher ups at Riddle knew what they were doing.

    On week ends I got to fly A GAT single engine instrument simulator and I had some problems with it.  Sure enough I was a licensed private pilot at the time but after flying around blind in that sim I realized I really did not know that much about basic VOR work. And that was all we were doing in the GAT because I was a long way from getting my instrument ticket. What an eye opener!  I really got sharp on this after a few hours.  An amazing training tool.

    I had some great instructors at Riddle.  Steve Price was a good one and he made me narrate on how to do a Chandelle as if quoting from the Kershner manual.

    Anyway, I left Riddle and got my CFI and flew about three years as a CFI and one of my students was the VP of Personnel for South Cental Bell.  He liked me.  He hired me.  I still work there..

    Sorry for the long post but the topic on Riddle got me going. 


    Scott Williams
    WWA 1404
    Senior Command Captain KBOS
    Commercial ASMEL Instrument
    CFI #1876545
  •  07-20-2008, 8:05 PM 15948 in reply to 15946

    Re: Pilot Training

    I would have to look this up to be sure but I didn't think the 172 was rated for stalls with passengers in the rear seats.

    WWA1702 Senior Command Captain +3
    RWP SEL Instrument Rating (almost)
    WW Test Pilot
    Monster Driver
  •  07-21-2008, 6:10 AM 15961 in reply to 15948

    Re: Pilot Training

    I've done stalls in the 172 with people in the back.  As I recall stalls were not a problem, but for spins you had to be in a certain part of the cg envelope in order to be able to recover........


    EHAM-YSSY B772LR
  •  07-21-2008, 6:57 AM 15962 in reply to 15961

    Re: Pilot Training

    It was a normal practice at Riddle then.  I have no idea what they teach now.

    I did not do any spin training at Riddle so not sure what the CFI course would entail down there. 

     


    Scott Williams
    WWA 1404
    Senior Command Captain KBOS
    Commercial ASMEL Instrument
    CFI #1876545
  •  07-21-2008, 11:55 AM 15970 in reply to 15962

    Re: Pilot Training

    I did my "official" spin training for my CFI in a 152, wow, just let go and the thing pretty much recovers on its own, not much challenge there.  It was hard to even get the thing to spin sometimes.  In college up in New Hampshire, I got to do spins and some light aerobatics in a Cap-10B, now that was fun.  That airplane would spin no problem.  Just stall it, shove the rudder in either direction and off you go.......


    EHAM-YSSY B772LR
  •  07-21-2008, 1:26 PM 15972 in reply to 15961

    Re: Pilot Training

    VPCargo:
    I've done stalls in the 172 with people in the back.  As I recall stalls were not a problem, but for spins you had to be in a certain part of the cg envelope in order to be able to recover........

    Ok, my 172N information manual makes reference to no spins with occupied back seat but I could find nothing about stalls. I guess I dreamed it.



    WWA1702 Senior Command Captain +3
    RWP SEL Instrument Rating (almost)
    WW Test Pilot
    Monster Driver
  •  07-21-2008, 6:45 PM 15973 in reply to 15972

    Re: Pilot Training

    I bet thats because with a person in the back seat you are not in the utility category anymore as far as the cg is concerned.........


    EHAM-YSSY B772LR
  •  07-21-2008, 7:06 PM 15974 in reply to 15972

    Re: Pilot Training

    Kim, you are so right about spinning these wonderful Cessnas.  They are really quite docile..

    I have not spun one in years but I remember it takes full deflection of the elevator into your lap just as the airspeed slows to the stall and full depression of the rudder pedal into the direction you want to pivot.  The Cessna stall horn goes into a high pitch almost like a tea kettle and your adrenalin shoots through the roof.  You must hold full controls or the Cessna will recover on its own. 

     


    Scott Williams
    WWA 1404
    Senior Command Captain KBOS
    Commercial ASMEL Instrument
    CFI #1876545
  •  07-22-2008, 12:03 PM 15985 in reply to 15973

    Re: Pilot Training

    VPCargo:
    I bet thats because with a person in the back seat you are not in the utility category anymore as far as the cg is concerned.........

    Yes, you are correct on that score.



    WWA1702 Senior Command Captain +3
    RWP SEL Instrument Rating (almost)
    WW Test Pilot
    Monster Driver
  •  07-22-2008, 4:26 PM 15991 in reply to 15985

    Re: Pilot Training

    I did my spin training in the J3 Cub and Stearman PT17.  Both are soloed from the rear seat. During dual instruction, with the instructor in the front seat, the spins were steeper. Once the instructor got out, the spins flattened out. My first solo spin in the Stearman scared me because it was considerably flatter than with the instructor and took a couple extra turns to recover. The Cub was like your description of the Cessna, difficult to get into a spin and nearly recover itself. The Stearman, however, required some effort to recover. Of course it also had the glide ratio of a flat rock.

    Bob S.
    Senior Command Captain
    E.V.P. Scenery
  •  08-18-2008, 1:54 PM 16746 in reply to 15991

    Re: Pilot Training

    did my spin training in a 172M.  same thing, no spins outside of utility cat.  but i never found the whole back seat thing.  it just says not approved in normal.  my favorite was a cross controled spin.  rudder and aileron opposite, let her wind up, let go and it stays there.  i never thought you could get a 172 that flat in a spin, but it is possible.  my training for spins was in 113BA, a 172 with the Penn Yan 180hp conversion.  we would climb to 7500, and recover at 3000, enough time to get a few turns out of it.  the only spin that will not recover from on it's own was the cross controled.  everything else just let go and pull up.  that was so much fun!
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